Freepers argue about pot

More and more states are decriminalizing weed. Freepers find themselves caught between the social conservatives of the 1950s and the also social conservatives with this one exception of the also 1950s.

Things get amusingly heated and petty.

fwdude knows the government will soon be shoving drugs down all our throats:

The government permitting of illicit drugs will soon become the government promoting illicit drugs, just as Lawrence permitting homosexual sodomy soon became an all-out push for government benefits for the same.

This new milieu of "legal-makes-moral" is the hallmark of a degenerate society. We once had relatively few laws because a moral underpinning, a societal fabric of morality, created and upheld effective taboos that were every bit, if not more so, effective as laws.

greene66 gets rather dramatic:

A nation of degenerate dopeheads.

America has become a damned sewer of a country. Socialism, dope, and homo-marriage. My interest in its preservation gets smaller and smaller by the day. I suspect by 2016, I won’t even bother voting anymore. There is just no reason to.

ifinnegan blames the 60's:

Drug use has caused all this excrement we are dealing with since the 60’s.

Is just snowballed.

Drugs are what did in our nation.

GeronL weighs in:

The left has dumbed down this country to the point where everything EXCEPT decency and standards are acceptable to the masses

DJ Taylor tells a story from 'Nam:

I've never used marijuana, but I've worked with or around people who did, and from this I learned several things.

Marijuana stays in the users system much longer than does alcohol. The effects of Marijuana use will remain in the users system and affect his motor skills for over twenty-four hours, and alcohol's effects will usually be gone in no more than eight hours. As usual, I earned this one the hard way.

During the Vietnam War, I was making a heliborne assault on a mountainside when the pilot suddenly lost control and crashed the helicopter. There was a thorough investigation into the accident, and it was found that the helicopter crew had been smoking marijuana the night before and the pilot was still affected by it the following afternoon.

We learned the hard way in Vietnam that there might be a few things a person may be able to do after smoking marijuana but flying helicopters isn't one of them.

WayneS notes how far natural law arguments can go:

Sorry. But just like abortion, queer marriages, pedophillia, and so on...

Your personal freedoms do not overide the common good.

Unless of course you think like a liberal.

On the contrary, “the common good” does NOT over-ride personal freedoms, so long as others are not harmed by their exercise. Abortion and pedophilia cause direct harm to people other than those who practice it. A person smoking a joint in their own house does not.

But thanks for supporting the “gun-grabbers” arguments anyway...

Responsibility2nd does not take kindly to this logic:

In what stoned out frame of mind do you see an argument for the “gun-grabbers” arguments here?

Its bad enough that you defend illgal drugs, but to make up and insert arguments not on the table is just too liberal.

In fact, Responsibility2nd rejects the concept of argument-by-analogy entirely:

You could not win your argument by staying on topic, so you introduced a new “bait and switch” diversionary tactic to try and build up your weak arguments.

Here try this: It doesn’t work either, but stamp your foot - call me a doody-head and tell the teacher on me.

Its all the same.

Finny takes on the ashes and sackcloth people:

Oh, America was the greatest achievement civilization ever saw, and was an unequivocal force of good in the world. I marvel at its history and heritage. As recounted on another thread, I used to go to library and I spent HUNDREDS of hours reading through old newspapers on microfilm (apparently while other FReepers were out getting wasted on dope), going through endless decades recounting America’s greatness.

THAT was America. Not Obama’s Choom-Gang America, full of socialists and deviants. America is a pathetic, dying shell of everything it once was. A country that is so intent on defining deviancy down, with a putrid culture of dope, homo-marriage, and Miley Cyrus twerking... is a country that has thrown itself away. Embracing dope, faggotry and evil. That’s what America is transitioning to, an truly degenerate and evil entity.

They might be just partially symbolic, but the country now gung-ho on fag-marriage and now ‘endorsing’ dope, makes me question my lifelong interest in wanting and trying to salvage the country as a whole. A dopehead nation is not a nation I’m going to put my life on the line for, to put it mildly.

Please, please, please, both of you, MOVE TO FRANCE since you think Americans are such losers in spite of ample evidence that Obama/leftism/gay-hugging/defining deviancy down, are promoted by a minority that dominates the MSM and wins elected office by CHEATING.

Please. Do America and yourselves a favor: MOVE THE HELL OUT OF THE U.S.A. You hate America and your fellow Americans so much so you are now part of the problem. Please LEAVE.

ansel12 starts calling people liberals:

Americans don't need laws forbidding them to "marry" gay partners. Members of the military don't need laws forbidding homosexuals from acting openly in its culture of officers and ranks.

Americans by nature reject open homosexuality civilly and peacefully -- civilized Westerners have done so for centuries.

Recent judicial and civil rights law forbid a cake baker from refusing to serve a homosexual couple. Laws now punish military folks for discriminating against an openly homosexual person from being included in various activities and venues. That is the authoritarian way of today's government, and it got there because a minority basically cheated and manipulated its way into power over a majority, and then used government to dictate morality.

That very authoritarianism via laws forbidding moral choices, is what has brought the problem about -- government is the mechanism of tyranny. Advocating for more of it in the other direction is as misguided.

You lefties come at conservatism from all kinds of angles, using all kinds of vocabularies, in all kinds of mediums, and on all kinds of forums, even conservative ones have people working the left’s angle (with adjusted language of course).

But you all have the same end goal.

mrsmel finds a Bible verse against weed!

There was no prohibition in either the NT or OT, nor was there a suggestion that there should be. So how does the Bible justify secular drug laws?

Well, firstly, Jesus said "render unto Caesar" which didn't mean that Christians had to participate in lawful but immoral practices. Secondly, I was always taught (trusting in my pastors and teachers, who had studied the matter and whose teaching always coincided over the years-in this world, I must trust someone, as I will never be a genius who can study it all for myself in the original texts, so I choose to trust those who have never led me wrong on other matters, to the best of my knowledge), that the word translated as "witchcraft"-pharmakia-refers to recreational drug use.