The Glorious War in Iraq

Even after all these years, Freepers never cease to amaze.

After Jeb Bush's bobbling of whether the Iraq war was a good idea in hindsight, the GOP generally has been doing their best to finesse the issue, with most of the Bush-era neoconservatives keeping quiet. Even Ted Cruz got on board.

I assumed that Freepers would be following the line, hampered perhaps by a few amusing stalwarts.

Nope! The defensive crouch they had assumed during the Bush Administration lead to it's own delusions no less entrenched than those about the Moslem Usurper.

I had it reversed - most Freepers stuck to their now long debunked and politically suicidal decades-old false narratives, with the few stalwarts being those against Bush's adventurism.

mosesdapoet thinks the problems is that Bush didn't reveal the WMDs we totally found:

That claim about Bush is based on one failure. The failure to to deny there wasn’t any WMD found, when there was.

By making a political decision not to refute it led to what we’re wittnessing now. Who’s fault was that ? Who was the architect of that reasoning ? And why are Republicans still supporting such people ?

fuzzylogic starts from crazy premises, and gets a crazy result!

To all of the “know it all’s”...

Please tell me exactly what the alternate consequences would have happened if we’d *not* taken out Saddam?

Remember, he DID have WMD’s. The Oil For Food program WAS corrupt and falling apart. He DID have hundreds of tons of yellowcake. He WAS waiting to restart these programs at the drop of a hat. He WAS the biggest sponsor of terrorism. He HAD used WMD’s in the past.

To say we shouldn’t have done this “knowing what we know now” is quite arrogant, it also requires buying into media lies and revisionist history.

He’s one alternate version:

We don’t get involved in Iraq. Oil for Food ends. U.N. weapons inspections never resume. Saddam restarts all WMD programs; nuclear, biological and chemical. Within ten years he’s more dangerous than ever. He’s trained 1000’s of terrorists. He gives them the means to attack the world. Hundreds of thousands are killed, if not more. ...the same people saying “we shouldn’t have gone in” will instead be saying the opposite.

Jim Noble wants all the Neocon imperialism, but against different countries:

Had we embarked on the conquest of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which is what we should have done, Saddam would have become a valuable ally. He already demonstrated his prowess at killing Iranians (without, BTW, substantial naval or air support), which skill could have proved most useful as a rational strategy evolved after American governors were installed in Riyadh and Islamabad.

So, no, not only were we not “right” to take out Saddam (kind of a childish expression), we were stupid and foolish to do so.

Like Communism and Capitalism, the trouble with Neoconservative foreign policy is that it's never been truly tried.

HarleyLady27 knows every time is a good time to rage about Benghazi!

We did what we thought was right at the time, only problem was GW didn't run for a third term and dumbass took over and screwed everything up...

And in regards to Benghazi, he was running guns thru there into Syria the same as he did with ‘fast and furious’ and everyone in his administration knew about it and kept quite and now look at ANOTHER mess dumbass made....

ifinnegan does not take kindly to Freepers that have altered their point of view based upon reality:

Removing Saddam Hussein was a calamitous mistake of monumental proportions.

His regime was no threat to America, but was a big threat to Iran and to those Islamic fanatics who would threaten Christians and Jews!

He was the force that protected Iraq’s minorities.

I say this as a Conservative and NOT a damned Republicrat!

I read posts like yours and I we’ve entered a time warp where posts likemyours aremfrom liberal lefties with Bush Derangement Syndrome from the 2000’s.

Unbelievable how you parrot Michael Moore and Obama talking points from 10 years ago and think it’s “conservative”.

kidd is going waaay back to Bush I's Gulf War:

Saddam Hussein was a huge threat to Israel (remember the scuds?)

Saddam Hussein had to go. The nation building stuff can be debated, but Saddam Hussein was the center of all the problems at the time.

TomasUSMC thinks we should probably have made war on Islam:

Yes we were right to take him out, the problem was we didn't take out Islam out of their Constitution .....when a Constitution states..
“NO LAW SHALL CONTRADICT ISLAM”....in reality that constitution is then superseded by the Koran.

TomasUSMC knows the real problem is insufficient nationalism:

If we changed the insane Nazi Germany and the equally insane Tojo Japan, we could do the same to moslum countries, except we don’t have the willpower we did in WW2. We don’t teach our youth that America IS exceptional, and why it is.

And thus, we elect Carter, Clinton and Obama.

I think xzins is saying terrorism is easy, to kill all bad people:

If you can put insecticide in a can of RAID and spray it on bugs, then you can do the same with humanicides and spray it in a crowd. The delivery system and projection system are the same: terrorists. One droplet of nerve agent will kill a human being.

One aerosol can of humanicide in a packed stadium or open air festival in the USA could kill hundreds/thousands and terrorize millions.

So, the bottom line: it was the PERSON of Saddam Hussein, supporter of terrorists, gassings, murders, and assassination plots that was the problem....or would have been for any reasonably intelligent president.

Cementjungle advises that the good politics is to blame Iraq on Obama.

The GOP is totally handing this election to Hillary by entertaining the "knowing what you know now..." questions and making this election about GWB. They should be responding with something like "Had I known that Obama would mismanage the situation so badly, I would have..." instead.

arthurus goes way beyond PNAC to some some real colonialism.

The proper strategy for the ME after the mid sixties should have been to re-colonize the oil zones and remit a token amount to the arabs. If we wanted to change the culture - probably not possible due to it being Moslem culture, then we should have taken over and operated the school systems for a couple of long generations. The schools are why the arabs in Gaza and the West Bank can never desire anything but death to Jews. It is what the schools teach in every grade and every class. You can’t mitigate that in the resulting adults. It has become part of their psychological DNA.

It is why we will never get our own culture back, why elections are of no use any more. Our public schools have taught no history or civics for several generations now. The schools have taught victimery and dependence. We now have a huge population of dependent victims who can only look to the government for the very air they breathe.

"We should have taken over their schools. By the way, our schools are also evil."