TADSLOS thinks the answer is to go unilateral:
The Feds claimed to be overwhelmed, so she has a golden opportunity to impose control over the situation at the state level. Force Obama’s hand and make him out as the monster he is for creating this crisis. Instead, Jan sends a strongly worded letter that will be ignored.NoKoolAidforMe agrees:
It’s your damn state, governor. You’re supposed to protect and defend it. Arm the border.Just don't think of the vast potential political liability!
Blue Highway goes one better:
Arm the border and shoot all illegal border crossers on sight.Lest you think Blue Highway doesn't realize he's talking about killing children:
I really don't think shooting children for committing a misdemeanor -- yes, illegal entry is, under the law, a misdemeanor -- would be welcomed as a satisfactory solution.grania advises using child-care laws to deport the children:
C'mon, folks. If we want the governor to "do something", we've got to come up with something that might actually work.
It sure would solve the problem though. They’d tell their compadres and the illegals would think twice before getting dead! I think this is the only solution.
Doesn't the state of AZ have the legal right and obligation to make sure those children's living conditions meet standards? If they're minors without parents, shouldn't the parents be notified? Hey Jan, how about JAILING anyone who's supervising children in conditions that are unhealthy and inadequate? I actually think that's an obligation, and any adult involved in keeping kids locked up in substandard conditions should end up in jail. And what about the highway patrol? Don't let those vehicles go anywhere if there are unaccompanied minors without approval slips from parents.Norm Lenhart knows the problem is that Freepers keep voting for non-lunatics with a sense of pragmatism:
Yet another example of electing ‘lesser evils’. this is what you get when the SHTF folks. Take a good look and remember come election day.kingattax knows it's not pragmatism, it's Obama's blackmail!
Because it isn’t a Democrat REFUSING to use their power to the fullest and stop this mess. It is a RINO writing cute little letters to other RINOS on record as being FOR THIS MESS.
remember the time when jan stuck a finger in obozo’s face and everyone was talking about her as a possible presidential candidate ?Liz explains that the Congressional Hispanic Caucus is some sort of dangerous conspiracy:
she sure has changed, hasn’t she ? she’s like a heel hound now.
makes us wonder what the white hut mafia has on her.
CONSPIRACY AND COLLUSION---The Congressional Hispanic Caucus needs to be examined for its role in this outrage....
Cong Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill): said 'Every Institution in America' Should Work Around Fed. Immigration Laws Breitbart's Big Government / Tony Lee / FR Posted on 5/19/2014 3by 2ndDivisionVet
This imbecile Gutierrez and his co-conspirators need to be exposed. We need to determine where Gutierrez is getting his orders from and with whom he is colluding. Gutierrez outlines treacherous activities which are significant national security threats......which serve to undermine the US' sacrosanct rule of law. These acts correspond with flaccid, decrepit Third World countries' calculated plans to weaken and subjugate the US to their evil demands.
Gutierrez and his co-conspirators are a national security threat and present a clear danger to law-abiding US citizens. Many illegal are hardened criminals w/ convictions for: (1) drunk or drugged driving, (2) aggravated assault, (3) flight escape, (4) pedaling dangerous drugs, (5) vehicle theft, (6) kidnapping, (7) sexual assault, and, (8) homicide.
I, for one, welcome the extremist anti-immigration and isolationist fervor that has taken hold of conservatives ...
ReplyDeletethis sentiment will be a death knell for a Ted Cruz presidential run.
Ted Cruz, for his part, is somewhat pragmatic and logical when it comes to amnesty and immigration ...
for that, he will be vilified and crucified by freepers.
Here we go again conservatives are against illegal immigration not legal immigration as is most Americans. Why do you libs push this bullshit?
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, just because it's not qualified every single time doesn't mean that "illegal" isn't implied, or that we're not talking about immigration laws.
DeleteSecondly, illegal immigration is supported by the large corporations and billionaires who have bought and paid for a large majority of our elected leaders. As long as it's profitable for them, it won't matter what most Americans think about it.
Thirdly, this blog is not an official source for anything, nor is it a place primarily devoted to a serious discussion of the issues. Whether Ozy chooses to use the "illegal" qualifier won't matter in the least to the larger conversation.
Lastly, even if it is "bullshit," this is a free country where we're free to spew as much bullshit as we want. Just look at all the Freeper posts above.
So, as George Carlin would say, "Calm down. Have some dip."
Ted Cruz is a pretty decent guy. I like your description - he is pragmatic. "We didn't ask for this problem, but it's here, so how do we fix it?" Sort of like Reagan or Clinton - both of whom fixed problems.
ReplyDeleteHe'd make a decent president. Not going to say a great one - but decent.
He'd make a decent president. ...
DeleteDon't get me wrong, I'm not supporting Ted Cruz in any way shape or form ... his statements on civil rights and the ill-advised government shutdown are anathema to me.
But his only redeeming aspect, a pragmatic approach to amnesty, will kill him with the "purity police" of the right wing.
You got your rules. I accept them, just as you accept mine.
DeleteTed Cruz is horrible in every way, sorry EC!
DeleteHaley, Perry and walker? They are just as bad.
DeleteIf it has to be a republican I hope it's Chris Christie
I don't like Haley, Perry or Walker, but none of them would have messed around with the USA credit rating to get attention the way that Ted Cruz did with the debt ceiling. Cruz is a nutter, the absolute worst that the ultra conservatives have to offer. Give me a competent conservative any day, even if I disagree with them on every issue.
DeleteI'll accept a competent Democrat - there must be the odd one hiding somewhere. Right now it's a shit sandwich. Too many fingers pointing in blame, not enough trying to fix stuff. Give me a JFK or a Bill Clinton, I'll be cool with it. Won't agree, but at least stuff will get done.
DeleteThe only reason I picked those three is that they not only ran a large state, successfully, but they all got re-elected. They have a record at being at least vaguely competent at their job. I'm pretty sure there are Democrats who have the same qualifications.
Just, please - not Hillary.
Election and/or reelection in America is largely a question of criminality, incompetence, broken voting processes, false pretenses, and voter stupidity and inertia. Personally, i think there hasn't been a decent President since Grover Cleveland. JFK used his youth to moon over Adolf Hitler, the Clintons were antisemites foul beyond any belief who once gave "Mein Kampf" away for xmas presents to their staff, Reagan had an active Nazist doing security work for him an living in the White House, not to mention the fact that he saved Arafat and his army from obliteration. Ted Kennedy is on record enlisting the soviet KGB in his fight against Reagan, and anyone believing Obama when he claims not to be a jihadist has had his brain atrophied or boiled. I know about two decent later Democrats, Zell Miller and Pat Moynihan.
DeleteErm, you'll need more evidence to not seem delusional.
DeleteYou see a lot of Nazis that no one else seems to know about. I have a lot of Jewish friends who are over the moon about Bill (and Hillary for that matter).
Reagan's policies with regards to Israel might seem to put the idea of his being pro-Nazi in doubt as well.
I'd buy Kennedy and the KGB, dude played hardball. But I doubt he gave the KGB anything in return other than not having Reagan in the WH.
And finally, Obama may be the worst jihadi ever.
Lol. Probably because I've watched these folks, in painful detail, over the last 12-15 years. Reagan's tame Nazi is named Bob Whitaker. he's a founding member of Stormfront and runs a few other Nazi sites as well, such as White Rabbit. He's also the author of a book on modern education, "Why Johnny can't think".
DeleteYes, I know Jewish folks who like Bill&Hill. Even Gerstenfeld told me he thought they were "good for the jews". The Jews formerly on their staff are telling a different story, though.
As for Obama, screw the lack of paper trail, because there actually is a paper trail, from before it became a point to scrub. His records from Malaysia are still out there, collected and collated very early, and in the Library of Congress. He's educated as an imam, and I rather doubt he would have bothered if he didn't have the faith.
Really. All his records are at the Library of Congress. Can you tell me then, please, what is this constant horseshit about him spending millions per year to "seal his records" when they're right there? What a load.
DeleteEven if you can substantiate your claim that Obama was "educated as an imam", where's the connection between that and your claim that he's a "jihadist", a claim so obvious that anyone who doesn't believe it "has had his brain atrophied or boiled"?
DeleteI didn't say alll his records are in the library of congress, did I? Only some of them, and among them the ones that put the lie to his claim of being a "Christian". Once upon a time, the Library of Congress did an internet snapshot, rather like archive org in California is doing. There wasn't much fanfare abround it. Now, if it had been his birth papers, who knows? Sandy Berger might have had another sock-and-underpants mission :).
DeleteBut his school records from malaysia exists, as well as a ton of witness statements as to his islamic fervor. Of course, imam is the lowest run on the muslim clergy, but the entry level is hard. I doubt any of you kids have the faintest idea exactly how hard. It's not something you do to pass the time. Basically, you have to learn the Koran. All of it. By heart. In Arabic. And be able to reel the whole thing out from memory.
As ii said, difficult. But not impossible and not even unusual, the youngest qualified imam I saw was eleven years old if I remember. But the imam basically controls his local muslim community.
And yes, that Obama is a jihadist is obvious. If you think the fact that Obama has killed a load of jihadis disproves that, you know even less about islam than I'd have thought possible. No one kills more muslims than other muslims. Read "The Closed Circle" by Pryce-Jones for some education on that sort of thing.
But just as a hint: the fact that Obama has been lying about his "Christianity" pretty much catches him painted into a corner. His claims are and were false, and he's fulfilling his islamic obligation. Which is jihad.
So you're saying that anyone who kills jihadists must themselves be a jihadist? Or must they have also have become an imam? And you still haven't provided any proof that Obama actually is an imam.
DeleteYou sound like one of those people who looks for tenuous connections, then weaves them into a story that you like and calls other people stupid for not seeing what you see. What do you call those people again? Oh yeah, the mentally insane.
By the way, here's how ridiculous your argument is. You arguing that an imam must be a jihadi is akin to saying that anyone who studies for the priesthood must be an abortion clinic bomber.
DeleteDo you have a reading problem? Trouble following the thread? No, only that Obama is killing (some) jihadis doesn't say he's not one himself.
DeleteAnd there's isn't any proof he is an imam. But he took the imam training, that much is rather massively witnessed and with some paper trail. There are also witness accounts from his school that there was a problem with him cutting classes in order to attend islamic sessions.
Priesthood?? Lol. That sounds like one of the common projections on the left, in fact - isn't that what they always contend about Christians? Abortion-clinic bombers? But really, you're missing the point as usual. The point is the lying and deception. And in fact, if a priest was lying like a dirty rug, I might conclude he was up to no good as well :).
So, to summarize: The Library of Congress has an "internet snapshot" of Obama's imam diploma, but nothing before and nothing since. Ergo, he's a jihadi. Seems legit. That's definitely worth spending "millions of dollars per year" to "seal."
DeleteOK, so provide proof that he took the imam training, then. Show me these "witness accounts" and make sure they're from credible people, like professors of the classes he supposedly cut. Provide solid evidence that Obama is "lying like a dirty rug" about his past and I'll have no choice but to believe you.
DeleteAlso, I'd like to see your evidence that the left is "always contend[ing]" that all Christians are abortion clinic bombers.
I'm not rearranging anything, I'm just asking you to substantiate your wild claims, which I quoted back to you using your own words. If you consider that "rearranging", then you're the one with a problem.
DeleteI'm not asking for someone from the Democratic party, nor someone I know personally. And FYI, I don't trust all bronies, either. :)
So let's take a look at your sources. The first one is from an anonymous blogger. Not necessarily disqualifying, but let's look at the content. The most recent article, posted back in February, seems to be some hair on fire warning about hate crime legislation being the end of freedom in America. The next article is titled, "America's Homosexual Jingoism". LOLWUT? OK, so far I haven't seen any material that was collected from this site. Perhaps you could point me to the specific article in which he shows this material? I'm not going to wade through a bunch of posts on an obviously batshit crazy blog in case one of them has some fact-based material.
Next, let's look at the other website. The very first words on the site are, "This is a political website. It is an opposition website. It is not encumbered by any requirement to be fair and balanced." Also, there is a graphic claiming them to be on Obama's "Enemies List", a callback to President Nixon, obviously so that people reading that site will think that Obama is just as corrupt as Nixon was. Not a good start. So then they say that Obama is a Marxist (I betcha they don't even know what that means) because he spoke to Frank Marshall Davis in his childhood. Then they name other people in his life that they also say are Marxists. Why? I dunno, you'll just have to trust them. I'm not exactly sure why you sent me that link, just because it was "snapshotted and preserved by Library of Congress." Do you think that makes it a credible source? Sounds to me like they're just collecting certain things of historical importance. Mein Kampf has historical importance, too. Anyway, I did a site search of "imam" and couldn't find anything useful. I did see a graphic that showed a fundamental misunderstanding of taqqiya, though. The only thing I would have had to register for is the forums, even just to look at them. Why would a site do that? I've been to plenty of internet forums where they would allow guests to read but not participate in them. What does this site have to hide?
But I think this discussion is over. I don't feel all that comfy debating facts, logic and mental well-being with you.
Aw, come on! At least show me some facts or logic before you run off. At least I looked at the links you provided.
I've heard, third-hand from someone who knows someone who used to work for him, that he doesn't believe half the shit he says. I can't decide if that makes him even more despicable.
ReplyDeleteI've heard similar stuff, but it's hard to tell since this town loves to tear down populists.
DeleteI'd call Cruz as idealist as one can be and still run for office, actually. I wouldn't want him to be President because he has to potential to be a gamechanger, and IMO not in a good way at all.
Of course, with how many in Congress he's pissed off, he could also be another Carter.
I think he ups the kook level when he's shilling for political donations on right-wing talk shows and religious right "conferences" ... and, out of respect, feigns agreement with his nut case father.
DeleteHowever, I do think he is totally committed to a few very basic conservative ideals and will relentlessly push for them as president ... e.g. turning back abortion rights, gay civil rights, and environmental protection legislation.
@ Ozzy - care to expand? I know why he makes me nervose, curious as to why he makes you.
DeletePersonally, I'm more worried about his financial reforms than his social ones. So cutting taxes, and then using the associated growing debt to argue for more austerity, which is bad not only for the poor but for the economy in general.
DeleteAnd then there is his sort of general commitment to deregulation for the 'job creators.' Cruz hasn't really done more than kinda wave his dislike of the undefined but easy to beat up on 'big government.' But as someone who thinks the housing bubble came from deregulation, turning even more of a blind eye to the financial sector would lead to another disastrous looting of some sector or another.
And who knows, he might just follow through and gut a Federal agency or 2. I'm all for ensuring regulations benefit more than they cost, but radical ideologically-based cutting is not a good way to run the ship of state.
Socially, I see nothing more radical than Bush.
I suspect he's a smart enough politician to see where the winds are blowing and not do more than complain about gay marriage. Abortion is iffier, but both sides are so dug in now, it's hard to move either direction there. Environmental stuff would probably be really bad.
We're sort of on the same page - or at least adjacent ones. I think the main thing he makes me nervous about is he doesn't seem to have filters.
DeleteRemember Clinton's stance on abortion? "Safe, legal and RARE." Anyone can get behind that.
GWB saying right - you had your go, it's our turn now.
You know my opinion of the One, but I'm not seeing Cruz dealing in positives either.