The thing about the SCHIP fiesta/fiasco is that at its core it is a legitimate philisophical dispute; conservatives do not believe that a society should help its poorer members. If you can make sacrifices, and pay for health insurance you should do so, or suffer the consequences.
Tha majority of the country, however, takes a different point of view. They think that a society's repsonsibility is more than the bare minimum; it's also to keep life from sucking as much as is possible.
Of course, this is not the debate currently going on. Both sides are making emotional apeals. The Democrats, already have the country behind them rationally, and can thus garner political points beyond the limited scope of healthcare. The Republicans counter emotion with emotion because they must.
So there you have it, folks: Free Republic weighing in on a debate that is being waged in an entierly emotional sphere. Let the
maddness begin:
The counter to a good anecdote is another anecdote:
Yes I am Godfather to a girl that developed epilepsy that is suspected to have arisen from an MMR vaccine. The mother and father had no health insurance to cover it and I chided them for it, only a little as they are close family via my Godmother.
They were able to get help through various charities, to get their daughter into a special school at reduced tuition and to get support from family, friends and community. They never once complained that health insurance is too restrictive and should be made free to everyone.
so the answer is charities for the poor, not insurance. I think we tried that for a couple of centuries and it didn't work so well. Ah well, one person's progress is another's fascism:
SCHIP is cute and very saddam-esque, right up there with the "Baby Milk Factory", but it skips a few steps.When did the health of children stop being one of the primary obligations of parenthood?
Until that question is debated thoroughly and persuasively, the SCHIP "controversy" is a manufactured crisis, perhaps a totally fraudulent one.
The "family" cited here is a prime example. Living high on the hog and expecting, perhaps demanding that others pay for their kid's health care.
Somehow, having everyone paying for everyone else's kids' health care, and having the government in charge of the whole scam will make it cheaper than caring for one's own children directly.
When, exactly, did that notion begin to make sense to anyone other than a politician?
Saddam? High on the hog? Those words, I don't think they mean what you think they mean...
To adress what little substance there was there, it seems the poster is saying that if it is a parent's responsibility, then the government shouldn't help. No supervision or assistance for parenting, since the only thing bad parents hurt are themselves. Wait...I know I'm missing someone in that equation...abortion maybe?
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The Frost family provides quite a target for the freepers. They love citizen investigation. Ever since Dan Rather, they are looking for more glory; another opportunity to show up the em-es-em. Thus you get such nuggets as:
Wedding announcement from the NY Times for Halsey and Bonnie Frost. Poor people do not tend to get wedding announcements in the NY Times. Nor do they have families that were involved in designing “several public buildings in New York.”
That's some crack detective work. See, archetects never have poor grandchildren. They're like CEOs that way.
Then things get a bit sinister:
The father's business probably can't stand a lot of scrutiny [especially if ears perk up at the IRS over this story]. This means that the parents are such committed Democrat activists that BDS syndrome has turned them into idiots.
It's not going to matter if one or two points of icwhatudo's rebuttal are wrong if the family gets shaken down by the government revenooers.
What WAS the father thinking?!!!?
(icwhatudo is a freeper/hero who tracked down the Frists for Michelle Malkin) A veiled threat if I've ever seen one. Though, in the interests of fairness and ballance,
Suzy Quzy replied
The IRS will NEVER go after them....NEVER.
replacing threts with paranoia.
And now that the investigation has proven the Frosts to be Evil, let the hate begin!
Little Graeme is organizing a school baseball team. It’s called the Baltimore Grifters. (Like father, like son.)
Attacking the kid is pretty bad, but can we get crazier?
This is the worst yet because the parents are pimping their kids.
This is as bad as the parents that took money from Michael Jackson to allow their kids to stay for the weekend at his ranch.
Nice! Not only does this post imply that the Frosts are abetting child molestors, but those molestors? DEMOCRATS:
Kiddie Porn: How the Democrats Take Advantage of Children For Their Own Gratification.
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Dems are HATE-TRIOTS, not Patriots.
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Pelosi would know about “hate”.
No one is more hateful than the Dhim O Rats.
I just love her sabotaging Turkish American relations at a critical time.
None dare call it treason.
Liars, thieves, traitors. Suicide bombers. That’s our Dhims.
What's with adding the "h?" I think it makes it sound more arabic.
Speaking of which, we need to bring the troops into this somehow:
Dear mzpeelousy lets talk about how dems treat the troops. Did you see any of out troops being referred to as NAZIs, Pol Pot followers, air raiding villagers, in a manner reminesent of Ghengis Khan. Did you not see any of that over the last six years? Just because you can’t give wealthy surburban puppies socialized health care, no matter how they prostitute their own children for it, is no reason to suggest there is any hate attached to my reservations of calling 25 year olds children. Piss off socialists.
Also, Pelosi blamed "hate radio" for the tarring of the Frosts. Heh.
This is what PISSES ME OFF the most about the Democrats....They have managed to make DISAGREEMENT = HATE.
O RLY?
She’s right. It’s “hate” radio.
We conservatives hate moronic, left-wing, anti-American, anti-military, tax-and-spend treasonous lying scumbags like Pelosi, Kennedy, Boxer, Murtha, Kerry, Hitlery, etc.
Nothing wrong with that.
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But despite these blindingly engaging bumper sticker arguments, the country does not agree with Free Republic on this. So the only people to blame: The American people:
Yes, our government does stink, but the reason it does is because the American people are ignorant and believe government is the answer to all their problems. Until that changes, look for the US to follow Europe on the path to becoming a socialist welfare state.
Could we add just a bit more crazy?
...welfare is approved via the democratic process. So was the freeing of Barrabas.
Nice. The bible says Democracy doesn't work.
And now, I leave you with this word from outer space:
Ron Paul you dodo . . . THE WAR IS OVER
THE MOP UP OPERATION IS JUST ABOUT DONE
AND the VICTORY PARADE will BEGIn
