ClearCase_guy has completely bought into the "negotiate over repealing Obamacare" meme.
The impression that I'm getting is that Obama is being pretty clear: "Give me everything I want. Then, I will sit down and talk with you."oldbrowser knows shutdowns and pettiness are Obama's secret weak spots.
An amazing position. What would be the point?
The house republicans have the hammer. They just need to have the guts to stick with what they are doing.struggle is sure the Democrats are losing:
Deal directly with Obama and cut Pelosi and Reid out.
When negotiating you don't negotiate with the middlemen. You negotiate directly with the decision maker.
Why the hell would Boehner DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW?Mike Darancette is super excited to add the debt ceiling to the pile of crap:
Let Obama implode!
The Democrats are overplaying their hand.
Let them destroy themselves!
Obama has started fighting the next battle. The debt ceiling battle has him rattled. The Democrats have made a bad mistake not going for the repeal of the “medical device tax” to get the CR out of the way.Venturer - everything old and failed is new and full of potential again!
Re-open Fast and Furious and Benghazi.plain talk just wants to impeach Obama, and doesn't care about the political consequences.
Let Obama worry about being closed down while you nail him to a cross with his scandals.
If you have a President refusing to negotiate and intentionally trying to shut down government .. I say that represents High Crimes and Misdemeanors. Impeach the SOB!
what else is Congress doing right now anyway. Impeach him in the House and make the Senate and SC hold a trial. They acquit him. So what. He is forever an impeached President. None of these people in the government have anything else better to do anyway.
If intentionally trying to shut down the government was a high crime or misdemeanor, Newt Gingrich would be in jail right now.
ReplyDeleteClearCase_guy obviously doesn't know that the position he's ascribing to Obama is actually the Republicans' position.
Struggle thinks it's the Democrats who are overplaying their hand? FR really is opposite land.
Freepers have no self-awareness and no attachment whatsoever to reality.
I told you all rimjobs leg amputation and the griftathon would be tied together..
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Looks like FReepers haven't learned anything from that whole "Unskewed Polls" thing.
ReplyDeleteThey've effectively got a GOP Civil War in the House. Pretty much everyone hates Ted Cruz, with Grover Norquist being only the most recent establishment Republican to trash him. The GOP paymasters at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are telling them to stop fucking around with the debt limit. Polls and editorials are massively against the GOP. The Senate is grilling Cruz behind close doors and then telling the press that he's a self-aggrandizing asshole who has no plan to resolve the shutdown...a position echoed forcefully by bleeding-heart liberals like Peter King (R-IRA), who consider him a "fraud." The GOP establishment and some of its biggest donors are undoubtedly trying to figure out how to cut Cruz off at the knees and neuter the Tea Party once and for all. Meanwhile, more people are signing up for coverage under the ACA every hour of every day, making the pipe dream of repeal more remote than ever. And the Dems, for one of the only times in my lifespan, show absolutely no sign of panicking or caving, because they understand, at long last, that they're dealing with crazy, stupid assholes that no one likes.
The FReeper response, of course, is "WINNING!" And they'll keep it up right until the end, which is coming a lot sooner they think.
Pass the popcorn!
...adding, the GOP's messaging is in even more disarray than usual, as they simultaneously cheer the shutdown, downplay its effects, and pretend that it's a disaster that they tried to prevent.
DeleteOnly people with a long habit of ignoring reality, such as FReepers, could hear this kind of self-canceling doubletalk and extract a coherent and positive message from it. To normal people, it's pretty obvious that these schmucks are running on fumes.
Ted Cruz has a plan to win. Unfortunately, that plan is to win himself the 2016 Republican presidential nomination. He cares not what happens to his fellow republicans.
DeleteI get what the GOP's gambit is here: to make it look like they're the heroes and that Obama is a petulant child willing to take his ball and go home rather than share. The problem is, can you convince the majority of voters this is indeed the case. Honestly, I can't imagine that anyone but their idiot base would actually be gullible enough to fall for it. But that's what happens when you live in an alternate reality bubble. Just forget the fact that the GOP brand is lower than shit to the average American.
ReplyDeleteTiny foreheaded Neanderthal Sean Hannity put forth the idea that congress has the right to overturn laws. Yeah, no one disputes that. But is Hannity dumb enough to think we aren't Aware of what he omits in that statement, that Congress has never held the entire government hostage to do so? Of course, that ignores the fact that the House HAS voted 40-odd times to repeal Obamacare.
-FresnoGrifter
a petulant child willing to take his ball and go home rather than share.
DeleteWhat they overlook is that Obama has no actual demands, other than "stop acting like assholes and do your fucking job." And his rationale for taking that stance is "you don't get to take hostages just 'cause you lost an election."
I think most people see these positions as reasonable. In the first place, they hate Congress in general and congressional Republicans in particular. Second, a lot of Americans on both sides of the political divide have kids. They understand very well that if you give into a tantrum, what you get is more and worse tantrums as the kid realizes "hey, it worked." In that regard, Obama's message is a lot clearer than any of the GOP's self-contradictory babble.
Yes, but none of those times the government shut down was Democrats holding the government hostage in order to overturn a law they didn't like. And Democrats always worked in good faith with Republican presidents to keep the shutdowns to a minimum.
DeleteShort and sweet today, Comedian ...
DeleteI guess they don't give you too long of a smoke break at the Cluck Bucket.
Hope to hear more from you after the late shift is over!
Still ignoring the circumstances and making false equivalences eh, Comedian? Well, no one ever accused RWNJs of using logic and facts to win arguments.
DeleteOne more thought. The only viable strategy, now that the GOP crossed the event horizon, is to double down on their current stand, and hope that Obama and Congressional Democrats decide to be the bigger man and alow some concessions. The other option is to admit they were wrong and that they've shown poor leadership in allowing a few self-promoting psychos like Ted Cruz to dictate policy.
ReplyDeleteOn top of that, I think the Democrats know the GOP handed them their own heads on a silver platter, and aren't going to suffer much political damage by waiting it out and letting the public tide of opinion get worse and worse for the Republicans.
The GOP really hung themselves with this one and the irony is, it was so unnecessary and self-inflicted.
-FG
So how long did that particular shutdown last, back in '06?
ReplyDelete1. That wasn't a shutdown.
ReplyDelete2. It was also typical posturing by a politician. Obama didn't prevent the debt ceiling from being raised for even one day.
So again, who is the stupid one?
12:07 Eastern time and it appears that FR is having "technical issues" Oh yeah..don't forget to make your donation. !! I'm sure it is just a coincidence.
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