Birthers, lol

Lets check in on birthers. Here is a thread from a wordpress blog called "exposing the first birther."

Contentless anger! Conflicting theories! Paranoia about nonbirther Freepers! Aaand furious rationalizing that this is still important!

lee martell has decided Obama the liar randomly told the truth on some slapped together brochure.

Obama said it himself, or at least made the claim on his slapped together brochure of introduction back in the 1980’s. That was one of the few times I believe he spoke near the truth as he knew it to be. The truth will come out long after the spell and his hold on the presidency has been broken for good.

lee martell's reasoning seems mostly based on antipathy.

Everyone involved is protected by a conspiracy of silence. Just one example, Nancy Pelosi had to have known, John Brennan, head of CIA has to have known, yet for their own reasons, they chose not to act. Obama still does not even have Top Secret Clearance, so filled with holes and fuzzy lines is his biography. The results of this ‘interloper’ known to us as “Obama” have been ruinous, disasterous and in some cases as with Fast and Furious, his schemes have been deadly for scores of innocent people. Yet no one has of now been formally accused, let alone prosecuted.

DiogenesLamp has studied the issue and sees no evidence Obama was born in Hawaii.

I have been studying this topic since 2008, and I know of no facts that show he was born in Hawaii. It is equally probable that he was born in Washington state or Canada based on what i've seen.

And by "no evidence" DiogenesLamp means nothing he finds "conclusive."

Of all the things you presented in your document, that *is* probably the most compelling but neither it nor anything else so far presented meets a conclusive standard of proof.

Left out of this discussion is the fact that Hawaii *WILL* issue birth certificates for people not born there. They will be *REAL* documents, but they don't really prove anything. Beyond that, you can't even get Hawaii to admit with no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" that the document we are seeing is the ORIGINAL. They keep sticking comments on it that are ambiguous and inconclusive. Such as "Or an abstract thereof" which renders any "certification" pointless because nothing is being certified with any degree of certainty.

It is this constant resort to "wiggle room" that makes me distrust any pronouncements the Hawaiian state government makes on the topic. Their previous language of certification was exact with no ambiguity whatsoever, but for some reason they seem to feel the need to hedge every statement they make.

Besides, DiogenesLamp says, as he throws everything at the wall he can, Obama's birthright citizenship isn't what the Founders would have wanted:

The 14th amendment was never meant to apply to the children born here of foreign parents unless those parents intended to permanently reside in this country.

It was not intended to cover "anchor babies". It has gotten distorted quite a lot from what it's original purpose, which was to grant citizenship rights to former slaves.

Fantasywriter shows up, all gentle questions:

So are you saying Stanley Ann lived in that wee bungalow with her parents for the entire length of her pregnancy? If not, where was Stanley Ann during those nine months?

Also, not trying to be difficult, but I have never seen any evidence anywhere that Stanley Ann brought her baby home from the hospital to 6085 Kalanianaole Highway. Is this merely Obama-friendly guesswork, or is there a ‘fact’ somewhere that supports it?

But Fantasywriter soon takes a nonbirther to task.

A listing of 26 items which point to birth in Hawaii.

You’re aware that the person who made that list was banned from FR?

But in your humble view, his content is still welcome?

Kind of a way for the banned party to continue to post after he’s been uninvited?

Is that you, LorenC?

It’s been mentioned that your posts are eerily similar.

Mad prophet Yosemitest just kinda mumbles about Obama's footprint:

He's a BIBLICAL CURSE !

Have you not read of THE LAWLESS ONE and God sending a POWERFUL DELUSION ?
Yet you still believe those forgeries Obama put out ?
There's only one Birth Certificate out there with HIS footprint on it, and he dares NOT try to disprove it by publicly documenting his own footprint to disprove it.

The Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro), ( the one guilty of TREASON ! ) has NO legitimate Social Security Number.

[And blah blah blah]

rawcatslyentist's pet theory is Indonesia:

I'm still in shock over how many people actually believe he's a Kenyan!

What makes you believe him? His dark skin? Do you think it wise to believe him even in this instance?

I say he's an Indonesian! Thru and thru!

noinfringers2 likes Kenya, but with a cultish twist:

He was born in Kenya, yes. However. this resulted from mama Stanley Ann being kicked out of a SE Asian guru’s communist, Islam cult because the cult members did not accept her child of the leader as a true member. Look up Muhhammed Subuh to find who the real sperm provider for Obama was.

Alas, no real Malcolm X or Frank Marshall Davis posts this go-round.

marron explains that he's interested in birtherism as an academic example of how clever Obama is.

Seriously, how can this "Birther Issue" make any difference anymore?

You make several very good points.

For me, the issue continues to be interesting just for the way the propaganda mind games have been successfully played. It is one for the PR books.

Whatever the truth of the matter, it is evident that O told so many lies over the years that the only way he could avoid a big problem was to declare his entire history off-limits. And he did, and he got away with it. No one could get at his paper trail, and no one was able to even discuss it in polite company without being drummed out of the public square. No one, not the press, not the judiciary, and certainly not the blessed Republicans, could be roused to take an interest in determining who this guy was and if anything about his biography was even real.

That, at this point, is what makes it interesting to me. It was a very successful psyops game and since it has been done so successfully, you can expect to see other similar games run all the time. And once you've seen the tell-tale signs, you can spot it from miles away... for all the good it will do you, since if its done successfully no one will give you the time of day for mentioning it.

Of course, at FR we get used to seeing fake stories on page one and real stories that go down the memory hole. You get used to people having no idea what you're talking about when they get their news from the alphabets and you don't.

morphing libertarian explains that to birther is human.

The issue is what is the truth. It is important to pursue truth, not just for the historical record, but because it is an innate human characteristic to do so.

jonrick46 dares to make a joke

Obama was born on a space ship.

WildHighlander57 cries ALINSKY!

Amazing little crowd that showed up to ridicule and say “what difference does it make now”, very interesting to say the least.

And some Freepers (not you) are engaging in Alinsky tactics/methods.