Post reelection birthing

Woulda missed this FreeperFan - nice catch once again!

After being marginalized as the election ramped up, birthers have turned from tilting at windmills to counterfactually speculating at how they totally woulda taken down Obama if only the entire GOP was as crazy as they are!

Ya gotta admit, such an angry fantasy is a good fit.

DiogenesLamp started the thread:

Yeah, pursuing a Birther strategy would have worked out great. He wouldn’t have been removed, and we’d have lost about ten million more votes.

Yes, a Strong Second place is so much better than a weak Second place. But who knows? Maybe he COULD HAVE BEEN KICKED OFF THE FREAKIN BALLOT!!!!!

Seems legit, especially the neglecting of the House races. More on him later.

SvenMagnussen has all the facts:

Obama naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1983, but that’s irrelevant. ObamaCare is the Law of the Land. And this election was all about Immigration Reform.

Threat level: Midnight.

kabumpo knows the problem is the enemy defining birthers as nutty:

It became “snarky nutsiness” only because we allowed the enemy to define the situation. I agree, and have always agreed with the premise that Zero is a fraud and that fraud should be exposed.

chris37 is a birther fatalist:

I am apparently apt to buy into such things. I do not believe he is eligible for one second.

But two things dawned on me. One is the judicial branch is utterly corrupt, and secondly I do not want the corrupt judiciary to have the power or precedent to remove a president that we elected, not that I voted for Obama but generally speaking, because any elected republican president from that point on will be in jeopardy of being removed by a judge for whatever reason.

Also there is no chance whatsoever that the republicans in congress would impeach the first black president and even less chance that the U.S sewer, er senate, would convict him.

It was always up to us, the american citizens, to guard our own freedom, and we failed in that duty.

chrisnj blames the GOP's sanity for everything!

Had they all, at the very beginning, UNITED to raise hell on his constitutional ineligibility and/or his fraudulent digital image of bc, more Americans would have been educated on this issue, more pressure, more distraction and much more discredit would have been piled on the usurper and the lamestream meida.
Remember almost 2 millions showed up at the first DC rally, all but at short notice from the Tea Party leaders. That shows how much rallying power they have. Had that rally been about the usurper’s constitutional ineligibility, we would have a good start and would have been able to build on that.

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Don’t cry foul! You should have known that the election will be stolen again!
What do you expect from a fraud who forges his bc, hides all his bona fide, shows no respect for anybody and anything, is a lawless anti-American who gets away with murder?
You think he will tell his criminals to play nice?

zzeeman hates the "normalcy bias" that keeps people from being insane:

There are an awful lot of FReepers who are afflicted with normalcy bias - the belief that we can get things back to normal through previously accepted and conforming methods.

In the past few years I have seen that the Normalcy Bias is a force much more powerful than I ever imagined that it was! It impacts so many people in profoundly deep ways. Aside from the overall lowered intelligence and utter distraction of a vast amount of the populace, the Normalcy Bias causes a great deal of the rest of society (those that could be accurately described as reasonably well-informed and gifted with a fair amount of common sense and intelligence) to simply not “see” what is going on around them. I believe that it operates mainly on a sub- or semi-conscious level, but is powerful enough to remain active at the conscious level (especially if it is not persistently probed and challenged).

treetopsandroofs's comment is AMAZING:

Up until a few weeks ago, I liked to remind antibirthers that Al Capone was owed a HUGE apology because we ruined his health and life over TAX EVASION when we had absolutely no evidence of murder and racketeering.

We went after Capone with everything we had.

I tolerated antibirther “freepers” because we needed all types to defeat Hussein.

Now I’m not so sure the obnoxious anti-birthers aren’t leftist Hussein Head freaks.

1. Totally blind to any political cost.
2. accusations of all who disagree as being secret liberals. Eastbound knows you don't need the law for something this righteous and logical:

With a usurper, it would be as if he was never elected. No consumation. As though he snuck into the White House and pretended he was president when no one was looking. Something a delusional child would do. Doesn't deserve the blessings of Liberty or the operation of the Constitution. Just collar the guy after the nearest judge declared an anulment, making sure they didn't steal the silverware on the way out.

There's got to be a first. I see no problem. It would be a logical conclusion, therefor righteous.

Jeff Winston takes the whole birther thing down hard!

Here's the elephant in the room: For a general public forum, FR is about as willing to listen to birthers as it gets.

If at least half of us believe you're loons, you frankly don't have a chance of accomplishing anything other than making conservatives look bad.

As driftless2 already noted, we're lucky the birther arguments weren't a big issue in this election. If they had been, we would've gotten even fewer votes, and what little chance we ever had of maybe getting to 270 would've been just about zero.

All of which aside... do you really think that promoting birther claims HERE is going to have the slightest effect on Obama? Even if they were true?

If you really believe all that Birther Stuff (henceforth abbreviated as "BS") then why not take your concerns to our Republican leaders in Congress and to the courts?

Oh, wait... I remember now. Birthers have taken their BS to our Republican leaders in Congress and to the courts. Again and again.

In the first case, it looks like there's hardly anyone in Congress who gives any real credence to the "forgery" arguments. And legally, our Congresscritters asked the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service for advice, and they went and researched the issue and wrote a long paper that said no, you don't have to have citizen parents to be a natural born citizen, as long as you're born in the USA.

As far as the courts go, birthers have brought how many law suits now? 100? 150? I lost track a long time ago. Exactly how many of those have birthers won?

As I recall there was even a lawsuit where the judge let Orly Taitz and her super snazzy team of experts present all of their evidence that Obama's birth certificate is supposedly a forgery, and that he's ineligible even if it isn't. And Obama's lawyer didn't even bother to show up and defend against what they said.

So the judge sat and listened to it all for 3 or 4 hours, and then said "Well, none of this is convincing enough to take the matter any further," and dismissed the case.

When your prosecution team can't win the case even with nobody making a defense, that ought to be a clue: you don't have a case.

Not that any of us expect you to figure out anything so subtle as that. Keep fighting on. Surely Obama will be thrown out of office. Any day now.

DiogenesLamp replies (excerpted for length):

Argumentum ad populum. If you're smart enough to know what that means, then your wrong, if not, then that also proves my point.

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I don't care about Obama anymore, that ship has sailed. What I care about is rubbing your faces in the fact that your interference seriously bolloxed something that might have worked, and certainly couldn't have turned out worse than what we have now. Had we gotten a single state to demand to see an official original birth certificate from Hawaii, we would have called his bluff. You guys voted with your mouth to fold em without calling to see his hand.

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"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Birtherism - as not-crazy as the Confederacy!