Thursday, December 18, 2014

Cuban Confusion

So the US is going to stop with the silly, spiteful embargo of Cuba.

Knowing that Freepers love spite-based foreign policy, and generally view world affairs as an instrument to bash Obama, I expected a huge (if boring) hew and cry that Obama loves Commies and Cuba is the worst. And there was some of that, but not as much as I thought. I guess not even Freepers can get too worked up about this.

Which turned out even more amusing, as Freepers struggle to hate Obama, even as they kinda supported about what he did.

Jim Robinson sets the marching order at "simplistic"
Comrade dictator Obama never met a commie he didn’t like.
manc could have posted this on any Obama thread.
He’s going all out now he’s near his end to destroy this country and our laws.

This is only the beginning and he needs to be marched out of our white house and impeached.
re_nortex also doesn't bother with anything specific:
If hussein is for it, I'm against it. Evil must always be opposed.
re_nortex then follows up with some impressive rationalization.
We have diplomatic relations with China, Russia and Saudi Arabia. They are all at least as bad as Cuba.

Cuba is merely 90 miles away, thus making that barbaric country an existential threat.
Buckeye McFrog goes with the tried-and-true "this is a distraction from Obama's real evils"
How come Rush is not talking about this?

Because it is largely just a distraction from more ominous things Obama is doing. Sanctions against Cuba have not really achieved anything. Certainly not the removal of the Castros. The greatest effect is likely to be to make the electoral sledding in Florida a little rougher for Democrats.
cgbg will personally benefit, so this is an okay move.
Even a broken clock gets the time right twice a day.

As a cigar person I am very excited. I would expect trade relations to be established with Cuban tobacco as legal as Dominican, Honduran, and Nicaraguan tobacco is today.

Cigar manufacturers have pledged that when it is legal they will create new multi-country blends—and all cigar smokers will benefit.
Not a student of history, DoughtyOne argues that this move will make America's previously steadfast foreign policy inconsistent:
Soon... perhaps North Korea will become our closest ally eclipsing South Korea.

Under this administration who knows?

If our allies are following along here (and they certainly are), imagine what connection to the U. S. they’ll consider in the future.

Our government needs a stadium filled dose of Prazac, to combat the multi-personality it has become.
Bratch blames the bad sort of Capitalism:
Wouldn’t be shocked to find the Crony Capitalist Chamber of Commerce (CCCC?) fingerprints all over this.
Tupelo also likes this, but gets his digs in at Democrats and foreign aid:
Well, someone had to do it. Who better than a Democrat who just loves dictators.
Only problem I have is the fact that we now have another country to support with our dwindling tax dollars.
I think an aid pool is in order. Pick a number between 1 billion dollars and 100 billion dollars. Closest to the amount of foreign aid sent to the Castro brothers........ er........... Cuba yep Cuber in 2016 wins
SoFloFreeper thinks Cuba is useless, and thus its human rights record matters:
Then send a “way to go” letter to Obama, since you apparently think this is a brilliant move by the Kenyan.

Meanwhile, let me remind you that China and Russia and the Sauds are quite different from Cuba. All three are significant trading partners with us on manufactured goods and energy. Cuba has tobacco.

Cuba is repressive, just like the other places you mentioned; that does not make for an argument to bolster the Cuban dictatorship.
pallis also likes cigars, so he makes a desultory attempt to say Democrats are Communist.
Ideologically speaking, it is hard to distinguish Cuban communists from Democrats. As a matter of reality, the Cuban landowners that have fled Cuba are not likely to repossess their property and status in Cuba, and the Cuban communists are not likely to ever suffer justice for the atrocities they have committed against humanity. Sanctions and our isolating Cuba from the US hasn’t done anything to make matters better, or punish the despots. Despots have a way of flourishing at the expense of common people. Our Democrat elites are proof of this.

I look forward to the Cigar trade, but think when Americans start smoking Cuban cigars they will be surprised at how good some of the Central American cigars are by comparison. The entire cigar industry should benefit.

28 comments:

  1. Keep up the embargo....its only been 50 years. ...its gotta work any decade now.

    The idiot Freepers would rather continue to punish the average Cuban because...communism. get some money and business, and especially Internet, into Cuba, and the place will be 100% better in 5 years.

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    1. Nice to see you guys are still losing it and viewing the world through progressive rosy/crimson glasses. Communism *will* work. Any time now. Just get Fidel to run the State Department ;).

      Lol. You a cigar smoker, AMJ?

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    2. Yeah, it's not like we think the embargo hasn't done anything to discourage Communism or get the Castro brothers out of power in Cuba. No, the only possible reason we support ending the embargo is that we think Communism works. Logic!

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    3. By all means end the embargo. Do it the right way. Take the Castros out and shoot them. Then hold free elections.

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    4. Yes, because the last time we invaded a country, removed their dictator, and allowed them to hold free elections, it went so well for us.

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    5. Wow, you have no clue at all, do you? Just take Fidel to Gitmo and everything will be just peachy, right? You sound exactly like Dick Cheney in the run up to the Iraq war. Here in the real world, things are a lot more complicated than in your imaginary utopia. I may be a fan of My Little Pony, but at least I know that world is fictional, unlike you. And you think I'm the one who's a baby?

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    6. You don't take Fidel to Gitmo. You take him and his brother out back and shoot them. Raoul Castro has already announced that things will *not* get easier on the Cubans because of detente, and of course he's telling the truth.

      There *is* such a thing as making things too complicated. It tends to occur with the extraordinarily deluded, and it has been the crutch for Mao, Castro, Stalin, Adolf, Pol Pot, Mugabe and any number of subhuman and genocidal monsters. Good job, kids :).

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    7. Shoot them...sure. Easy as that, is it? Just like Dick Cheney said it would be just that easy in Iraq. And who said anything about things being easier on Cubans? We're just bringing to an end a pointless policy that has never worked.

      And speaking of deluded, if you think invading a country and taking out a head of state is easy with no lasting consequences, then you're the one who is deluded. There's a difference between making things too complicated and having a realistic view of the world and how it works. Hopelessly naive is how you're coming off here.

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    8. Actually, Iraq was done and then blown up. The way that happened is interesting, and not generally known. But the bottom line is that the Iraq insurgency was driven by Americans - some of whom would be totally at home here. A leading member of that cabal is an attorney in the US State Department. And the raising of that insurgency was deliberate and not any kind of incompetence.

      Organization was from the US left, money was from Saudi Arabia, and manpower/fighters from the Arabic countries.

      Chances are you have rubbed shoulders with more than one Quisling on your fluttery travels ;),

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    9. Oh, right, it was all a conspiracy. The typical cop-out for the simple-minded. What were you saying earlier about making things too complicated?

      Anyway, how can you be sure the same thing won't happen in Cuba? Maybe some lefty group will give the orders (or just use chem trails to mind control them) for Cubans to become insurgents and we'll have another country whose leader we'll have to prop up.

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  2. "Cuba is merely 90 miles away, thus making that barbaric country an existential threat."

    You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

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  3. Cuba is merely 90 miles away, thus making that barbaric country an existential threat.

    It's true. If the Russians wanted to attack us, they'd have to drive all the way to the ocean and then hop in a boat. We could get our cannons all primed and ready while they made their long, dangerous sea voyage.

    Jesus, these people.

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  4. And let's not even get started on the fact that Putin's sexxxy shirtless dictatorin' has given plenty of FReepers their first erection since the Carter Administration.

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  5. And the limp little noodle of the day award goes to.... elcid1970 for his action plan,

    "get your CCW, get range time & practice firing from your vehicle whether moving or stopped. Those are skills we all are soon going to need"

    Well done, elcid1970. You have accomplished absolutely nothing but make yourself look like a windbag.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3238740/posts?page=20#20

    If you see some chain-smoking, fat, white geezers shooting from their cars, don't call the cops. It's just Freepers working on a new plan.

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  6. Joan Collins talks about being raped as a teenager and being in a very abusive relationship.

    What follows is over 100 replies of the most repulsive anti-woman commentary in one thread ever.

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    1. Ick...if ConservativeMind hadn't been there as a palate cleanser, I would feel like I needed a shower after reading that.

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  7. Not related to Cuba at all, but an unusually interesting and rational discussion...for FR.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3238695/posts

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    1. Good thread, but depends how you define "rational discussion".
      The thread itself concerns Oklahoma and Nebraska suing Colorado over Colorado's legalization of marijuana, declaring this has "harmed" neighboring states.

      The big nanny socon drug warriors of course applaud the lawsuit because they are just against any legalization at all ...
      but there seem to be a majority of freepers on that thread who are, if not partiers themselves, quite happy with CO and WA legalizing the weed.

      The nannies pretty much get their asses handed to them with very conservative arguments.

      Usually, this results in the nannies calling in JimRob to do some zotting ... I'll be staying tuned to see what develops.

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    2. I meant rational in the sense that those who push back on the nannies make some good points (regardless of whether or not they themselves are partiers) by pointing out the inconsistencies with the nannies' arguments with their own ideology.

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  8. more re_nortex... "The threat posed by Cuba is no laughing matter. Michele Bachmann has stated that Hezbollah, the militant Muslim group based in Lebanon, had established training sites in Cuba and might even set up missile sites 90 miles from U.S. soil.

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  9. Michelle Bachmann has said lots of silly shit, doesn't mean anyone should take her seriously.

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    1. I support future-President Palin 100%. I humbly and respectfully think you ought to get on board.

      She's inevitable!

      And I can't wait for January 2013 when she leads America back to greatness. It will be wonderful to see Obama slithering away into ash heap of history. May the usurper live a long life in abject humiliation and may he awake for the next 8 years every day with President Palin at the helm of the country he despises.


      That is simply pure FReeper Madness

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  10. "If a crossdresser tries to molest any of my grandchildren I don’t care how 'protected' he because I’m not goingbo wait for a homo sympathetic court put him on probation. I’m going to render my own judgment via castration by shotgun..." jsanders2001

    Now there is a tough guy! You go, jsanders2001. Kill that hypothetical person in a scenario that will never fucking happen.

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    1. Because, in the freeper mind, all crosdressers just can't wait to molest a kid. What about those alleged pillars of Christianity that have pedophile tendencies? Is that just god testing the children?

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  11. Freeing the slaves was a mistake -- we should have just bought Cuba and moved them there:

    President Polk should have offered Spain a billion dollars for Cuba, a deal would have been made with the Southern states to send the slaves there, Cuba could have been a territory or even a state, and we wouldn't have all these problems we're having now.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3239093/posts?page=7#7

    Just . . . wow.

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    1. How else could they ever have afforded a Caribbean cruise?

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  12. You forgot "dfwgator"s I'll-be-sleeping-on-the-couch-tonight contribution:


    To: jalisco555

    My wife is from there, you’re not missing much.

    13 posted on ‎12‎/‎17‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎10‎:‎53‎ ‎AM by dfwgator

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