Freepers see this issue may be good for them, but is a bit arcane, so they inject MAXIMUM DRAMA.
txhurl has some novel legal theories:
I think the Sargent-at-Arms can arrest him, but only if steps foot inside Congress? The other is the 25?th Amnd, bust down the front door of the WH?Old Yeller looks to the only other power Freepers have ever recognized:
The only way he goes away is if the she-devil steals the next election. She’s the only one with balls enough to throw his azz out.Texas resident disagrees - Obama is too Muslim to listen to Hillary:
No disrespect meant, but how can cankles throw the bum out when she can’t even control her own husband?mrsmel laments that Boehner's polls are still strong:
Muslims treat woman like property like a goat.
That would be fun to watch though. Hillary screeching at Obama to leave and him ignoring her. Wonder whose side their media will take.
And I’m astounded to learn that apparently he’s still in the lead in his state, Ohio. What do those people need to get wise, rounded up and sent to the camps?aces sees annihilation coming, absent a coup:
If al queda took over the wh, the people would bust down the wh doors..these folks now are lawless with the peoples annihalation in mind. Thats what’s wrong in the constitution, lawless bodies should be dissolved by lawless actions. Immediate, now..
At this rate, Freepers are going to use up all of their outrage on Obama, then they'll have to tap into their reserves for Hillary or whoever the next Dem president is. Can you imagine what they would be like under President Cory Booker?
ReplyDeleteI think outrage is more like entropy than energy (in the basic applications of the 1st and 2nd laws of thermo) - Outrage can created and transferred out of FR, but not destroyed.
DeleteNutcases, liberal or no, who desecrate altars are probably focusing on the power and autonomy the Catholic Church has in America, as opposed to the Muslim extreme minority which generally takes it's tenets of faith from from overseas.
DeleteSo there are two reasons.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if there was some fear there - Islam has a correlation to violence.
I'm not sure there's a causal link, though have no doubt you're leaping to make it, as is your wont.
Many liberals are actually very critical of Islam, see Bill Maher, Sam Harris, Salman Rushdie.
DeleteUp till very recently, Muslims were one of the most solidly republican voters in the country.
If Christians were doing honor killings you know damn well rad fems would want special hearings and legislation/diversity training to stop it..and it does not matter the numbers.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't gays ever demand Muslims bake them a cake or photograph their wedding..again you know damn well..libs are afraid of Muslims...Christians are an easy target.
Euphgeek: Making their women wear a hajib is not against the law.
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Do you not understand the irony in that "making their women" lol
Speaking only for myself, and not some prototypical liberal that you imagine exists, I'm not out protesting churches OR mosques because I'm not a member of either. They're both ridiculous to me, but they're also none of my business. It would no more occur to me to go harass some Catholics than it would to disrupt someone's mosque. We have the freedom to worship in this country, or not. Their private worship and beliefs aren't my business, and I don't have some fantasies about controlling people's beliefs and actions by invading their spaces and protesting and harassing them. (That's for pro-life activists to do.) Protesting churches and mosques is useless, anyway; change would have to come from within, and I am not a member, so I don't consider it my business. Their women want to wear hijab? Who cares. Their women can't be priests? What business is it of mine? Do I approve or not? I'm certain they don't care.
ReplyDeleteYou are so essentialist! In these comments I count five reasons why American liberals are not focusing on Islam. One of them is indeed intimidation, as I discussed above. You want to make it the only thing. Alas, people are not so simple.
ReplyDeleteAs for the hajib - first, far from every Muslim woman does that - it's not an essential part of Islam. Second many Muslim women do so voluntarily.
Third, some things suck. Not all these things are illegal.
Fourth, the clothing requirements for Orthodox Jewish women are not dissimilar, and are not targeted. Does that mean we fear the Orthodox Jews?
show me libs going against a Muslim business wanting them to change and go against their religion
ReplyDeleteShow me a Muslim business breaking the law and then claiming religious exceptions, first. Can't do it, can you? Like I said, religious right whackos are the only people who think the law doesn't apply to them.
Nuns do this voluntarily. No one forces them.
And Muslim women do that voluntarily in America, too.
Many if not most Muslim countries...
And there go the goalposts...watch 'em fly!
"Show me a Muslim business breaking the law and then claiming religious exceptions, first. Can't do it, can you? Like I said, religious right whackos are the only people who think the law doesn't apply to them."
DeleteWell, technically, the Islamic prohibition on gambling includes insurance, so a devoutly Muslim family run business would probably not have insurance. :P
As far as honor killings go - I have been in and out of the Middle East for longer than you have (likely) been alive. Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi, Iraq, Iran and Yemen. I can recall one confirmed case of an honor killing. Every other time, there were additional factors in play. It seems to be more common further East though - that is out of my personal experience.
FGM, on the other hand, still happens. Not acceptable, that.
Here is a perfect example of people cowtowing to muslims out of fear:
DeleteMajor British multinational retailer Marks & Spencer has informed Muslim employees that they can refuse to serve shoppers who are attempting to purchase pork or alcohol products.
Apparently, Muslim checkout clerks are allowed to politely decline to serve customers, on the basis of their religious beliefs, if those customers are buying products that run contrary to their faith. Customers are asked to go to a different register.
According to a spokesperson, the new policy has been put in place so that all employees are treated “fairly”. The new policy follows consultations with various religious groups.
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Can you imagine Christians wanting similar religious freedoms..oh wait I can..not wanting to bake a cake for gays..
Face it brony boy..you lost..give it up..you know gays won't demand a muslim business cowtow to them because they would get their emasculated liitle pukes ass handed to them..Muslims won;t take that crap.
If a Chrsitian group wanted what the muslims wanted at M&S they would be fired.
You do love your counterfactuals.
DeleteRefusing to serve someone based on who they are is not the same as refusing to serve someone based on what they order. I'm not sure I like this level of accommodation, but I suppose you did go overseas, where things are quite different. Point is, your parallel certainly fails.
So does your counterfactual - Christians get religious accommodations all the time, from Christmas break to fish on Fridays. Also, too - kosher meal, anyone?
Here is a perfect example of people cowtowing to muslims out of fear:
DeleteI don't see any fear. Where, exactly, do you see that?
Can you imagine Christians wanting similar religious freedoms..oh wait I can..not wanting to bake a cake for gays..
Definitely not the same thing. There's a big difference between the owner of the store and the individual employees in the eyes of the law.
So do you have any other stupidity to post here? Would you like to talk more about ponies? Because that's literally all you have.
"I don't see any fear. Where, exactly, do you see that?"
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Euphgeek you are so full of shit I'm almost thinking you are a troll.
How about the liberal artist depictions of Christianity-Piss Christ jar of urine or the shit thrown on the painting of the Virgin Mary?
Let's see a liberal artist do the equivalant to depiction of Mohammad or put the Koran in urine and hang it in a NYC art gallery. Guess what? It will never happen because they know they will literally end up dead...and that is 100% fact.
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"There's a big difference between the owner of the store and the individual employees in the eyes of the law."
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So an individual employee can refuse to serve gays due to religious convictions and it's ok?
I can't buy alcohol on Christmas Eve or before noon on Sunday, so, there is some kowtowing to Christians. Meh, it's not that important to me, but we all make some accommodations for others sooner or later.
DeleteStill don't see any fear. But why isn't the maker of Mohammed Dressup dead if what you say is true? Did you see that site when he had the baby carriage labeled "Aisha" and the words "Just Married" on it?
DeleteSo an individual employee can refuse to serve gays due to religious convictions and it's ok?
As long as it's OK with the employer and they have plenty of other employees there who can assist the customer.
"Still don't see any fear. But why isn't the maker of Mohammed Dressup dead if what you say is true? Did you see that site when he had the baby carriage labeled "Aisha" and the words "Just Married" on it?"
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You are DADS.. Dumb as dog shit.. that is an anonymous site with a p.o. box and email address. The owner is not putting out his real name on it. No real street address or other info.
Do you really think Bob Smith is his real name goofball?
Oh, gee, I guess that booth in Times Square was anonymous too, huh, dipshit? Wouldn't the people who ran the booth with Mohammed Dressup magnets be in fear for their lives? Face it, you are wrong, and laughably so.
Delete"Oh, gee, I guess that booth in Times Square was anonymous too, huh, dipshit? Wouldn't the people who ran the booth with Mohammed Dressup magnets be in fear for their lives? Face it, you are wrong, and laughably so."
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Look at the pictures goofball...any astute person can tell they are not for sale there..he placed them there and took a quick photop shot and then removed them..they don;t even fit the display. . SRS what would his product have to do with M&M's..my 2nd grade niece could do better merchandising.
I can't believe you believe this bullshit. For one thing..knowing Disney they would never allow this item, non Disney and not licensed to be placed in their stores and not anything portrayng Muslim's in a bad light.
You are such a bullshitter. Give it up bronco boy.
http://www.normalbobsmith.com/timesq_m&ms.jpg
Man, look at those goalposts fly! The real bullshitter is you. You just can't accept that fear is not someone's primary motivator like it obviously is for you. Go ahead and keep posting, I'd like to mock you some more.
Deleteanon1, if you think all this non-protest of non-existent non-outrage over muslim businesses is such a problem, I have a suggestion for you: Why don't you launch the first protests, and tell us how it goes? You really are a solution in search of a problem.
Deleteanon1 would love nothing more than to see dead liberals and be able to blame Muslims for it. As long as he doesn't have to come in contact with the Muslims, other than to string them up. He lives in perpetual fear of Muslims and can't understand why anyone wouldn't be afraid of them. He probably reads Pam Geller's Atlas Shrugged website.
DeleteChristians scare your libs way more than muslims scare me.
DeleteThat ignores the fact that the vast majority of liberals are Christians, you colossal moron.
lib huffpost goes gaga/pro muslim
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muslims are way worse in treatment of women and gays than Christians
Again, for the umpteenth time, Muslims do not try to get their beliefs enshrined into law. You are obviously an idiot who doesn't get that. Religious right nutjobs think they are above the law and can't understand why liberals get upset when they break the law.
but muslims vote 70% democrat so it's ok.
As an Anonymous poster pointed out above, Muslims used to be a solid Republican voting block until recently. Gee, I wonder what could have happened to change that?
...Mohammad dressup...
You were the one who demanded proof of someone making fun of Muslims. When that was provided to you, you moved the goalposts, claiming the guy was anonymous (when he clearly goes out in public and his picture is on his website, albeit in red face paint). I'm sure after all these years of him doing this, someone would have found him by now.
Can't believe I'm arguing with a brony..a grown man into a 5 year old girls show.. you are sick dude..Normal grown women laugh their asses at your type. I bet you are a pedo and into young girls or more likely little boys..guys, no wait guys is a term for normal men, freaks like you need to be watched. Hope people near you keep their young boys and girls away from you.
DeleteThat level of pure ad-hominem and libel there is pretty lame, chief.
DeleteDon't quit your day job - you're no Comedian.
Don't you mean you can't believe you lost an argument with a brony? And if you think that watching a little girl's cartoon would make you want to have sex with children, I'd say you're the freak that should be kept away from children.
DeleteWell, technically, the Islamic prohibition on gambling includes insurance, so a devoutly Muslim family run business would probably not have insurance. :P
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure about the laws concerning insurance on businesses. But I think I remember hearing about some businesses having a fund that they donate to in case they need it which would be enough like insurance for most laws.
FGM, on the other hand, still happens. Not acceptable, that.
Agreed.
I was pulling your leg slightly. To much damned misinformation out there. I happen to like the people I've been lucky enough to meet. (OK, most of them - there are assholes everywhere!) Most on them are, well, people. Work, raise families, try to get a bit of a cushion going so their kids have a better life. Sufi's fucking rock, BTW. Getting pulled in to a dance is probably one of the highlights of life for me and isn't likely to be topped, ever.
DeleteMost businesses though, need liability insurance at the very least. It would make for a conflict with more devout Muslims. How about car insurance? That is technically gambling as well by a strict interpretation, yet it is required.
I admit there are complications with accommodating different religions. For example, how does an orthodox Jew reconcile having a loan that lasts longer than 7 years? I know, even the most fundamentalist Christians either ignore that part totally or never take out loans and live like the Amish. Because nobody would ever get the big banks to agree to follow Deuteronomy 15:1.
DeleteIt can get complex, fast! One size never fits all.
DeleteThere are a couple Coptic sects (one is in Syria) where actual trade is frowned upon. Kind of annoying when you just want to grab some decent food and top off the water tanks, but instead of the quick in and out, you have an hour of negotiation and tea drinking where you both, purely by chance you know, end up exchanging gifts of equivalent value.
People are endlessly fascinating. Endlessly amusing, too. Best to you for the weekend!
Heh. I'm sure there are plenty of our customs that they're baffled by, too. Best to you, too!
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ReplyDeleteJust noticed I have written a character called Mrs. Mel into a new story. :) She's a bit of a cow, with a secret or so.