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| This is the moment it goes from a strategy to something completely by Freepers for Freepers. |
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| "Please kill me?" Calvan did it better. |
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| Wait, if Obama's Vader and Free Republic...gah! Better analogies, please! Though smoking Vader is pretty amusing, if you think about it. |
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| Obama's done very little about this, but Freepers insist he be the black radical they wish for. |
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ReplyDeleteYes! When the Republicans threatened to not raise the debt ceiling, why oh why did Obama not give them everything they wanted?
He shouldn't have. Presidents cut deals, it's the nature of the beast. JFK - probably the best president of the last century - knew that. Reagan had it down to an art form. Clinton too, but he rates lower in my book.
DeleteStill you got a home and a life. How long can you keep borrowing? Max out your cards and don't pay and there'll be a couple of big guys on your doorstep. Is it irresponsible to run a country like a home?
Sounds like we're in agreement (shocking, isn't it?). When Republicans refused to raise the debt ceiling, they were pretty much inviting those big guys to our doorstep. Still, running a country and running a home are two different things. We're in debt because we borrow from other countries, but those other countries have also borrowed from us. It's the sort of thing that keeps the world turning, you know? It's only when we refuse to meet our obligations by not raising the debt ceiling that there's trouble, like getting downgraded from AAA to AA+.
DeleteThat reminds me of a joke I heard online: Did you hear that the Tea Party's credit rating got downgraded? They're now at KK+.
Debt isn't great, but I'm for stimulus spending for a couple of reasons.
Delete1) Historically, growing your way out of a recession has proven much more succesfull than cutting your way out.
2) Sovereign debt is really different from personal debt. There are no big guys, and you owe most of your debt to yourself.
@euph - Yep. Surprising sometimes that it happens! Still - I'm reluctant to concede that running a deficit is a good idea. Eventually it's going to have to be paid, and the longer it goes on, the bigger the debt is going to grow. Here in the UK, it took us until 2006 to pay off our debt to the USA for WW2. That is a hell of a lot of money that could have gone into useful things. It just seems to me that no one seems to care right now. The White House doesn't produce a budget. Both Senate and Congress stuff bills with pork for their states (and yes, both sides do it equally). Agencies waste billions per year, because they don't care enough to check.
Delete@Ozy - you can't owe money to yourself. You are writing checks that your future self has to honor.
I'll agree that the national debt is rising far faster than I'd like to see it. Thanks to the failure of supply-side economics and Reagan's refusal to balance the budget, the national debt has skyrocketed every year since 1980, except during the Clinton administration in a manner not seen since the U.S. got involved in WWII. In fact, if Reagan had balanced his budgets, our WWII debt would have been paid off during Clinton's second term [source].
DeleteAlso, the White House has produced a budget, but Congress has to vote on it. The only times they've voted on Obama's budget was strictly for political theater in order to embarrass him [source].
"Is it irresponsible to run a country like a home?"
DeleteActually, yes, it is completely irresponsible to do so because they are completely different types of things and the economics are different. Substituting sound macroeconomics with management by ignorant analogy is moronic.
Also, do you know who the largest owners of us debt are? The extremely wealthy. They've found it's better to loan their money to the government and get a return rather than just pay a fair tax rate. All they need is a bunch of ignorant gits out there saying that government should be run like a household and here we are.
@ InBurrito - can you expand please?
DeleteI get the money in my wallet, and am careful with it. Know what it'll buy, roughly how much is in there, and how to get the best bang for my buck. A little bit of the stock market, for what we agree we can risk losing. Otherwise, I am a proby at this stuff. Can't be good at everything, right?
Just seems money in > money out makes sense in all ways. What am I missing, please?
I get there are times when you have to raise cash fast. The Iraq war was not exactly cheap, for starters, and the economy being in the toilet certainly hasn't helped things since. Just missing a piece of the puzzle.
Have you ever purchased a home, car or other large ticket item on credit, EC?
DeleteNo. Always cash up front. Never even had a credit card (Yes, my credit rating sucks. No history, so a terrible rating). Bought the house with an inheritance, then did it up slowly. That was blind luck, to be blunt.
DeleteEvery car we save for, starting from the day the replacement one is outside. We both grew up poor - that might have an effect on our outlook.
So I seriously don't get the advantages of credit. I mean - I see it's convenience - but you pay heavily for the convenience of kicking the repayment can down the road.
Trying to have a discussion with you is like fighting cotton candy, EC.
DeleteI am quite amused that you are bleating on about how the government should be run like a household when you don't, via luck of your birth, run your household like a normal household.
Be honest, you're just a conservative talking points robot, yes?
Luck of my birth - yeah, right. Gave me a chuckle at least. Then I thought, you know, he's right?
DeleteI was lucky. Two parents who love me, worked their asses off to keep food on the table and a leak proof roof over our heads. Who taught me the value of money and taught me to save. How to work hard but have fun too. Thank you for reminding me just how lucky I am. Easy to forget at times.
You can be amused all you wish - but income should exceed outgoings. A basic fact you can't deny. I know it's taken a long time to build up - and both sides of the aisle are equally guilty of this - but you're at the state now where the debt is simply unpayable. There are fewer tax payers, fewer jobs, an aging population. At some stage the interest on the debt alone is going to be crippling, never mind paying off the principal. So when do you stop borrowing?
someone better get in and watch discostu -before he gets Zotted - There's a thread about how one of the Walking Dead characters may be gay and he's refusing to tow the freeper line on homosexuality, saying " It’s the narrow mind that has a problem with it. So they’re gay, how does that hurt you? It doesn’t. So why should it bother you? It shouldn’t. There’s all kind of perverts, weirdos, freaks and flakes out there. The only ones anybody ever seems to whine about are the gays. You probably know some seriously perverted people, there’s enough fetishists in this world you’ll probably a few, but they don’t bother you, because they do their fetish with members of the opposite sex. Really ask yourself, who’s more perverted David Carradine or Michael Sam? I know how I vote, gaspers are whackos."
ReplyDelete135 posted on 8/16/2014 9:48:19 AM by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
It will be interesting to find out whether the next generation of freepers is as sexually uptight as the wrinkle bags and way-past-menopause members of both sexes (i.e., their parents and grandparents). Maybe they'll just be the kind that clutch their wallet with both hands (and racists), without the sexually uptight component. Time will tell.
DeleteAh yes, Star Wars. Because FR is the Phantom Menace of political forums.
ReplyDeleteOzzy make sure to check out the live play by play threads about Ferguson. Sarah Barracuda is particularly vile. She pretty much wanted the police to shoot and kill them all. The looting is horrible but other than that these people are doing what Freepers always brag about when they fantasize about CWII.
ReplyDeleteFever swamp! Still going strong.
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Is the implication that Obama was responsible for 9/11? There's no limit to the mental gymnastics ... these people need to seek help.
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DeleteHe's jumping on the Ferguson MO bandwagon big time with the most racist view articles he can find.
He has recognized his most likely donors are the most racist of freepers and he's trying to wring every last dime out of them he can.