Thursday, January 21, 2016

2 Corinthians

Freepers theology is nothing if not flexible. Witness how they've lowered the bar for Trump being a Christian leader. Some Freepers declare that they no longer care about the faith of the President. Others see secret signs of a strong faith.

It's as if their high standards for President Obama's Christianity were not real, somehow!

So when Trump says refers to Paul's second letter to the Corinthians as "two Corinthians," enjoy Freeper Trump supporters suddenly espousing separation of church and state, explaining how people shouldn't guess about someone's faith, and how little signs of ignorance aren't a big deal.

bramps thinks Trump's complete failure to pretend to be a man of faith just shows he's humble and respectful!
Read his comment:
We’re going to protect Christianity. I can say that. I don’t have to be politically correct,” he said. “Two Corinthians, 3:17, that’s the whole ballgame ... is that the one you like?”

He IS NOT trying to be something he isn’t! Unlike many ‘Christians’, he isn’t going to try to hide what he doesn’t know and act like someone he isn’t. And he does it in a humorous fashion. I think that comment is beautiful from someone who obviously respects his audience and isn’t going to pose as someone on the same level spiritual level as them.
aMorePerfectUnion thinks anyone who quotes scripture in politics is a little bit Christian:
He wasn’t playing the audio - nor does scripture proscribe a correct way to pronounce the reference.

I give him credit for taking the initiative to read from God’s Word. It doesn’t come back void.
Mollypitcher1 finds great meaning in Trump's words:
Just what did he say that is wrong?

The Spirit of the Lord IS the WHOLE BALLGAME!
montag813 finds Cruz's faith to be a detriment, actually:
Trump is never going to out-religion Teddy and his nutty Dominionist dad. Don’t even try.
nickcarraway explains that Cruz should be more charismatic like Reagan:
Ted Cruz come off as more strident and ideological. If I was his consultant, I would have him study Reagan more. Reagan didn’t come across as so ideological. He came off as friendly, personable, casual (sometimes more formal), humorous. Reagan didn’t sound like a demagoging politician. He sounds like a “regular guy” and likeable, contrasting with his Democratic opponents. Clinton noticed that. Clinton knew he didn’t need to come off like Dukakis or Tsongas.
Georgia Girl 2 - at least Trump's not a Muslim like Obama!
A few weeks ago in Iowa, Trump refereed to “my Evangelical faith.” Isn’t that silly

Well when compared to “my Muslim faith” it sounds pretty good. :-)
RoosterRedux finds this doesn't matter:
I've never heard any believer refer to a second book of the Bible as "two". I've also never heard a believer refer to a verse as the whole ballgame.

Is that all you got?
BuckeyeTexan agrees - the key is fear of Muslims, not Christianity!
In the grand scheme of things, it matters not. ISIS is trying to take over the world. Terrorism on our shores is a reality not a mere possibility. I don’t care if Trump thinks the Book of Job is about job creation during Biblical times.
Nita Nupress really hates those who judge others based on their lack of faith:
Every single person on this thread who feels a needs to denigrate someone who says "two" instead of "second" reminds me of the sanctimonious, holier-than-thou "Christians" who may just find themselves on the outside of the Pearly Gates when we're all called home. You make me sick.

You are the "Christians" who snicker to yourselves when a stranger comes to your church service dressed in less-than-desirable attire because that's all they have in their closet. Then you remember that snickering at other people is not the "Christian" thing to do, so you rush over and shake the stranger's hand and greet him to show all your fellow brethren how holy you are. Then when you walk off you wrinkle your nose and snicker again because the stranger doesn't own deodorant.

Do a soul check, folks. Maybe you should be praying for other people instead of making fun of their lack of knowledge (in your mind) of how to "properly" pronounce Bible verses. Really?!
Catsrus knows God set up America with a separation of church and state:
It is a big deal to the Cruzbots who don’t understand that God set up the government to be a separate entity from the church - whose mission it is to preach the gospel. He never gave that commission to the government. If these so-called purists knew their Bible - they would know this -but, they don’t. They think we are electing a Pope or a pastor to run the country. Render unto Caesar te ghings that are Caesars, and unto God the things that are Gods. I suspect, in addition to being politically naive, they are also Biblically naive.
But my favorite flexible outcome-based theologian has always been Ezekiel, who can twist Biblical language in ways ridiculous to most, but which an convince himself of anything:
2 Corinthians 3:12-18; 4:1-4

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

This thread really sums up what Paul is describing. The veil is blocking the view to the plain meaning.

To see the glory of God it is necessary to have the unobstructed vision. The light that goes on in the eyes is evidence that the observer sees the fire, which is the Spirit. Otherwise it (the image of God) wouldn't be reflected in the eyes.

The properties of a soul are reflected in the eyes, as the eyes are the window to the soul.

A vision - a spiritual vision - is viewed through the lens of a material or spiritual parable. In this case, a simple game of ball. The *whole* ball game.
And of course no one answers GreenAccord's point:
Imagine had Jokebama had referred to any 1st or 2nd books of the bible in this manner. Ugh.
Shhh, you'll give away the whole ballgame!

12 comments:

  1. Jim reminds us all that Muslim's are the devil incarnate and to stop fighting over Trump and Cruz.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3386247/posts

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    1. Comment #7 from that thread:

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      To: Jim Robinson

      Sir , if Clinton or Sanders are elected , men in uniform should and can fix that . Folks like me will join them .
      Enough is enough and I think a lot of folks have had enough . I know I have

      by LeoWindhorse
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      Quite rich, now openly calling for a military dictatorship if the wrinkle bags don't get their way in November.

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    2. To be fair, LeoWindhorse has been calling for a coup for the last 2 years at least.

      He's not quite as hilariously one-note as Carl "traitors!" Vehse, but I'll look into a spotlight.

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    3. It's all about the Benjamins. How is RimJob supposed to collect his contributions if all his old coots are fighting each other?

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    4. Leo would be flirting with the business end of the Alien & Sedition Act if he were not a Freeper.

      Luckily for him SCOTUS ruled that the act only trumps[sic] the 1st Amendment if there is an "imminent threat". Anyone seriously feel threatened? Thought not.

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    5. You've got to admire the shameless old grifter in a way. HOW does he generate such mindless sycophancy? He could post a description of what he had for breakfast and someone would be straight in with: "Outstanding post Jim!!".

      He's a sort of Justin Beiber for toxic seniors. Empty headed, devoid of talent, politically irrelevant and incomprehensibly inspiring slavish hero worship.

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  2. So, 2 Corinthians walk into a bar...

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  3. I keep hearing The Count from Sesame Street...

    "1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians! Ah-ha-ha-ha!"

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  4. I must say that I rarely attend church, but I've never heard it called 2 Corinthians. I've heard "Second Corinthians," but never 2.

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  6. Semantics about two or second aside, the real hilarity is in watching the whole speech. Between a smattering of applause when he insists everyone has read his book, to just weirdly pandering, yet talking down to probably the youngest crowd he'll see his whole campaign (and I do think that's where the latter tone stems from) the whole thing was an uncomfortable mess. And pretty much a demonstration of why Trump fans have to be as vocally blowhardy as Trump himself. Give em the ol' razzle dazzle!

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  7. Semantics about two or second aside, the real hilarity is in watching the whole speech. Between a smattering of applause when he insists everyone has read his book, to just weirdly pandering, yet talking down to probably the youngest crowd he'll see his whole campaign (and I do think that's where the latter tone stems from) the whole thing was an uncomfortable mess. And pretty much a demonstration of why Trump fans have to be as vocally blowhardy as Trump himself. Give em the ol' razzle dazzle!

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